Bush administration pressured scientists to lie about global warming.

[uberreiniger]

http://www.alaskareport.com/reu77640.htm

Man, I almost wish mr_dark were still here. I would be most entertained by a ten page essay beginning with "First of all..." and then followed by forty-five pieces of evidence revealing this news article to be completely untrue... nearly all of them coming from Rush Limbaugh or the like.

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[adonijah74.livejournal.com]

"That's just one example. The activities linked to global warming tend to be self-centered and infringe on the freedoms of others in very visible ways."

The activities "linked" to global warming are the very activities that have made it possible for mankind to thrive as we have since the industrial age. The very reason we have electricity to run these damned computers and yak on our cell phones every day. The same activities that produce 2/3 of the world's food supply and the same activities that provide families with jobs. Ever hear of a poor person hiring anybody? Who do you think provides jobs?

Industry is a blessing, not a curse. Without it, we would all starve. People would die of hypothermia and of heat exhaustion. We would not be able to have this discussion as we are because there'd be no means to make it happen.

Does industry need to act responsibly? Well of course it does. Nobody is calling for companies to dump toxic wastes into our streams, that's just stupid. But that does not mean that we all need to subscribe to some socialist doctrine of extreme regulations that cripple the economy and destroy productivity (i.e. kill jobs and ruin our lives), and that's exactly what the Kyoto treaty does.

Remember acid rain? It was supposed to kill us all off. In the 80's it was the acid rain that would ensure the destruction of mankind and damn it, we deserved it! So much for that.

Then there was the ozone layer. Oooo, we've put a hole in the ozone with our hairspray and shoe factories, now we're all going to die. Then, many noted meteorologists and scientists like Haroun Tazieff determined that even if CFCs do have an effect on the ozone, he asserts that it must be an insignificant one. After all, it is alleged that it is the chlorine in the CFCs which breaks down the ozone molecules. However, only 7,500 tons of chlorine are released from the breakdown of CFCs every year, against 600 million tons from the evaporation of seawater and 36 million from volcanoes. What is more, the effect of chlorine is to break down the ozone into oxygen plus by-products, and it simply requires the presence of ultraviolet rays to transform the oxygen back into ozone.

Simply put, evil volanoes and evil seawater emit millions of times more CFC's into the atmosphere than we mere humans are guilty of.

What now then? How do we stop those dastardly volcanoes from spewing forth tier noxious fumes of death into our atmosphere? How do we keep the ocean from doing it?

It's a joke, man.

Oil is natural. We didn't make it, we simply harness its usage. God gave it to us to use for the very things we use it for today. Transportation, energy, heat, etc. These are all good things. Speaking of seawater, Did you know that seawater actually "eats" oil? Yep, it breaks it down and dissolves it. That doesn't mean I want Exxon to dump tons of it into the ocean, but I do know that its effects on the ocean have been neither catastrophic nor permanent. Yeah, it's a bummer to see seals or birds suffering from an oil spill, but it passes. Just as a forest set ablaze by a moron with a careless flick of a cigarette, will replenish itself. Sometimes forests catch fire naturally too, via a lighting strike. It's pretty common actually...what are we going to do about the lightning's destruction of our forests?

For that matter, the sun (which nobody seems to want to take into account) has been shown to be much more active and "hotter" than usual. A study by Swiss and German scientists suggests that increasing radiation from the sun is responsible for recent global climate changes.

Dr. Sami Solanki, the director of the renowned Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, who led the research, said: "The Sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures."

Geez, what are we going to do about that?

I choose not to give in to panic and hysteria.

God made the earth to survive. And we are arrogant to think that we can either prevent its natural defenses and climatic cycle or destroy it with our puny devices and insignificant activity.

[uberreiniger.livejournal.com]

I love how instead of addressing the topic at hand you drop it and bring up new, unrelated ones and believe that by doing so you have proved your point. You seem to think I'm advocating a return to the stone age. I'm advocating responsible use of resources. Since we all seem to agree that industry needs to act responsibly I think we can put that aspect of it to rest. The trouble is that industry does NOT act responsibly and neither do consumers.

As for the Kyoto protocols, I don't know enough about them to address them. Which is why I wasn't. I'm a bit too young to recall the acid rain scare very well either so I'd have to do some research before I addressed that, although I can say I have seen it reported that manmade chemicals returning to earth in percipitation do have detrimental ecological effects.

The climate heats up and cools down in cycles. The sun heats up and cools down in cycles. (Giant nuclear reactor. Go figure.) No one denies any of that. The question is how human activity affects those cycles' long-term effects on the planet.

So oil breaks down in seawater over time. Does it change the fact that ecosystems are affected in far-reaching ways by the loss of life generated in oil spills? Absolutely not. So lightning strikes burn down trees. That's nice. What does that have to do with anything? So volcanos emit the same toxic gases we do. Does that mean we should emit more than all the volcanoes on earth put together? I don't think so.

To use a comparison that's near and dear to your heart, that's almost like saying we shouldn't care whether partial birth abortions are performed because late-stage fetuses sometimes miscarry and are expelled from the womb naturally anyway.