Fun with Kirk Cameron

[uberreiniger]

It doesn't get really good until 1:35 when he mentions Darwin's racism and sexism, as if those two things have anything to do with the validity of his scientific theories. For extra fun is Hitler's "undeniable connection" to Darwinism. Surprisingly, Hitler's "undeniable connection" to the works of Martin Luther and Protestantism go unmentioned.

Comments

[dungeonwriter.livejournal.com]

"61% of professors are atheists or agnostic"

Does he just not want to say Secular Jews?

[dungeonwriter.livejournal.com]

Hehe

No, it's great.

"We want to give students the opposing and correct view. We want you to learn both sides and pick ours."

[uberreiniger.livejournal.com]

Playing devil's advocate, people on the other side of the evolution debate want the same thing. At least ol' Kirk's being honest about it.

[solandra.livejournal.com]

Well, I'm on the other side, and just like the rest of people on this side, we want to teach SCIENCE in a SCIENCE class. OH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH US!?!? The shit he is talking about is RELIGION, and intelligence design is NOT fact. It's speculation. And people who say that evolution isn't a fact and don't know the difference between fact and metaphor (religion) need to educate themselves. Kirk is a moron, and so is his banana-man guru.

[uberreiniger.livejournal.com]

All I said was he was being honest about his motives.

[solandra.livejournal.com]

There was the implication that people on the other side weren't being honest, which, all we want is science in the science classroom. Doesn't get much more honest than that. And no, he's not being honest at all, because he lies about religion being facts and he lies about science all the time.

[uberreiniger.livejournal.com]

No such implication was intended. I was actually implying that Kirk was being more honest than many of the people on his side. They say "we just want our view heard." He goes a step further and says "we just want our view heard because it's the correct one." He's not trying to gussy it up as an attempt to bring a plausible alternative to the table so people can make up their own minds.

Frankly I think the whole argument is a waste of time no matter what side you're on. Frankly the Kirk Camerons and the Richard Dawkinses of the world deserve each other and I don't have an ounce of respect for any of them.

[solandra.livejournal.com]

Ah, OK. Well, he says he wants his view to be heard, but really he just wants to shut up the scientists and anyone who contradicts his worldview. If he really wanted to be honest and have his view heard, he would try and put it in a Religion class. But then that would piss them off because they would have to give equal time to various religions. So really what it amounts to is he wants to lie about everything else and convert people to his way of believing.

[uberreiniger.livejournal.com]

I'm still amused that he can't find a way to attack Darwin's theory of evolution itself but instead tries to discredit it by attacking Darwin as a person. I actually wish I knew how to get ahold of one of those free books just so I can see how many ad hominems and straw men the forward he put in throws up.

[uberreiniger.livejournal.com]

Yes, Secular Jews. That's why he said "atheist or agnostic." If they were Muslims or Buddhists he would have simply said "demon worshipers."

[nightshade-7976.livejournal.com]

It makes me sad that Kirk Cameron has fallen so badly...I used to really like him. *sigh*

[germsama.livejournal.com]

I used to have such a huge crush on him. :(

[uberreiniger.livejournal.com]

If this doesn't get you over him go find the video where he and the British guy from this video explain why God must exist because bananas fit perfectly in the human hand.

[germsama.livejournal.com]

You have got to be kidding me.

[uberreiniger.livejournal.com]

[germsama.livejournal.com]

Wow... just... wow. Suddenly it's like God is a big corporate snack manufacturer.

And it had to be a banana of all things. By this train of thought (my train of thought), I could demonstrate how neatly the human penis fits into the human ass thereby proving the entire human race is meant to be a bunch of bisexual whores!

[uberreiniger.livejournal.com]

We should be so lucky, right?

LOL!

[forensicgirl.livejournal.com]

What's really hilarious is, if I recall correctly, chimpanzees and other apes open the opposite end of the banana-since it is hanging from the "tab"-and this is, in fact, a much easier way of peeling a banana. Just remember to discard the black pointy bit in the end before biting.

I'm not sure why this is so funny, but it is.

[donkeyjon.livejournal.com]

The part I can't figure out is why people insist that we have to prove God exists. The reason faith is so powerful, so perfect, is because it cannot be proven. As a Christian, the very last thing I'd ever want is to prove God exists and somehow remove the power of that faith. Why are we wasting so much of our time and inspiration trying to make science and religion compatible?

As both a Christian and a lay-scientist, I say...

[forensicgirl.livejournal.com]

Why are we wasting so much of our time and inspiration trying to make science and religion compatible?

They are compatible, since they deal with entirely different things. What I want to know is why so many people keep trying to create a conflict where there isn't one.

Re: As both a Christian and a lay-scientist, I say...

[donkeyjon.livejournal.com]

Exactly!

Science is about taking observations, deriving a theory and set of a priori hypotheses, and then experimenting to see if they hold. It would be impossible to prove the existence of a deity in such a manner.

Faith is about believing something in spite of all evidence to the contrary. If it could be proven, then you cannot by definition have faith.

Someone please tell the creation scientists this.

Re: As both a Christian and a lay-scientist, I say...

[forensicgirl.livejournal.com]

I've tried, but they just keep calling me an "uppity heathen woman" and running away. Heh. Because of course no Christian woman would be interested in science at all.

I'll just have to keep trying.

Re: As both a Christian and a lay-scientist, I say...

[uberreiniger.livejournal.com]

Uppity heathen woman? Somebody actually said that?

Re: As both a Christian and a lay-scientist, I say...

[forensicgirl.livejournal.com]

Not directly, but it was strongly implied. Not that I care all that much what those people think about me, but my eye-rolling muscles got some exercise. :)

[solandra.livejournal.com]

Because there's the argument from a lot of people that faith makes people do violent and horrible things. I happen to think those people would do violent and horrible things anyway, but that's where the argument is coming from. One side says, "Stop believing in irrational things because it's killing people" so then religious people have to prove their faith in order to make it not irrational. I say believe whatever you want, just don't come knocking on my door throwing it in my face, don't harass my kid or family, and don't kill anyone or abuse people with it, and we'll get along juuuust fine.

[donkeyjon.livejournal.com]

I'd also add that almost every travesty that is attributed to religion is actually caused by another source.

The people who crashed planes into the WTC didn't do it because of religion. They did it because they felt powerless, and it was convenient to blame America for their problems. The religious rhetoric was merely layered on top. If it was truly a jihad, they'd have crashed a bunch of planes into mega-churches in the US south. It's not a coincidence that they chose a target with economic meaning.

But in general, I agree with you.

[forensicgirl.livejournal.com]

Wow. As a Christian, I am offended and think Kirk Cameron is a moron. And I think it's perfectly reasonable that you can't teach a religious belief (Creationism) in a Science class. It's not science.

*goes back to reading

Why Darwin Matters

.)

ETA: I forgot to mention that a lot of people are probably athiests because so many highly public Christians act like a-holes (Recent President Bush and Anita Bryant are good examples).

[tempest-azure.livejournal.com]

Kirk Cameron angers me.

[uberreiniger.livejournal.com]

Confuses, and angers.