Bush administration pressured scientists to lie about global warming.

[uberreiniger]

http://www.alaskareport.com/reu77640.htm

Man, I almost wish mr_dark were still here. I would be most entertained by a ten page essay beginning with "First of all..." and then followed by forty-five pieces of evidence revealing this news article to be completely untrue... nearly all of them coming from Rush Limbaugh or the like.

Comments

[adonijah74.livejournal.com]

"You know, the vicious evisceration of straw men, while not technically illegal, does seem to display an unhealthy attitude of aggression."

It's the aggressive HEALTHY attitude of men that has been feminized and castrated since the 1960's that we need MORE of. God, if only more people were not so intellectually lazy and pacifistic, we may be able to get more done.

As far as the age of the earth goes, nobody knows exactly how old/young it is. "A day is like a thousand year's to the Lord" is not necessarily meant to be interpreted literally, just like the Great Red Dragon (who is Lucifer) is most likely not a literal big red dragon, but it illustrates the sinister ferocity of his nature.

For all we know the earth is 10,000 years old or it may be 10 billion years old (although I tend to believe it is closer to the former).

The point is being made for me by your statements. If the earth hasn't seen CO2 levels like this for the last 400,000 years (a theory that is difficult to prove since no one was recording history during that time...IF the earth was even here at that time), then what made it so high back then? By contrast, what made it "abruptly reverse" around 1850?

There's no real science involved in the green movement, only socialism.

Also, as a Conservative I can tell you that you are 100% wrong about what we're all about. Our strong tendency is to look at freedom, size up the threats against freedom, and to be skeptical of anyone who is trying to tell us that they know better than ourselves how to govern our lives.

Our basic, core belief is that freedom comes from God, and that any Government body that tries to force its way into your pocket and take your money (or your guns or your right to private property, or any other rights guaranteed by our founding documents, etc.) is a government to beware of.

You have no more a right to take the money that I've earned than I have a right to grab a slice of pizza out of your hand and tell you that "you don't really need pizza like *john doe* does, so I'm going to take yours and feed it to john doe." That used to be called stealing, now it's called "re-distribution" and it's a staple of socialism.

The Kyoto Protocols are a international socialist agenda designed to crush the United States (by sucking our economy dry) and rendering us impotent so that Socialism can continue its reach around the globe and make us all slaves to one-world government. It's why we need to kick the UN out of the United States where they can continue to crumble under the weight of their bureaucracy and hypocrisy on someone else's soil. The 141 Countries that signed the agreement are suckers, and their economic demise will be our vindication. Of course...they'll beg for us to bail them out like they always do when tragedy strikes. Hopefully, Australia and Monaco will stay strong with the U.S. in opposing it as they have thus far.

Liberals don't see the problems coming, they make up problems in order to keep themselves in power by scaring the naive into voting for them (the Black Caucus, NAACP, AARP, Public School System, etc.). It's all about creating "victims" that massa-government will rescue. Their willing accomplices in the mainstream media give them all the help they need.

[uberreiniger.livejournal.com]

The point is being made for me by your statements. If the earth hasn't seen CO2 levels like this for the last 400,000 years (a theory that is difficult to prove since no one was recording history during that time...IF the earth was even here at that time), then what made it so high back then? By contrast, what made it "abruptly reverse" around 1850?

While correlation does not automatically equal causation, it's also worth remembering that if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. The industrial revolution resulted in large-scale manmade chemical emissions into the atmosphere for the first time and for the first time since humans have been a viable force on the planet, the CO2 levels went up again. That's some hard-to-ignore quacking right there. Whatever was happening 400,000 years prior is very unlikely to be relevant to the evidence for causation in this instance.

Our basic, core belief is that freedom comes from God,

And freedom which is not used responsibly is often taken away... by God. One person's "freedom" to drive a big SUV that gets 6 mpg creates a higher demand for gasoline which infringes on my freedom to enjoy it at a reasonable price. That's just one example. The activities linked to global warming tend to be self-centered and infringe on the freedoms of others in very visible ways. Living with the notion that you are responsible for your actions and that your actions affect other people is most definately NOT socialism. Massa-government does not need to "create" victims. There are enough real ones out there already.

[kakita-shisumo.livejournal.com]

The point is being made for me by your statements. If the earth hasn't seen CO2 levels like this for the last 400,000 years (a theory that is difficult to prove since no one was recording history during that time...IF the earth was even here at that time), then what made it so high back then? By contrast, what made it "abruptly reverse" around 1850?

As surprising as it may seem, I prefer not to claim knowledge of situations in which I have no evidence. The reason why I said 400,000 years is not because that's the last time CO2 levels were this high. That's just as far back as the data goes. If I'm remembering correctly, the Vostok ice core is the oldest such core in the world, and is the source of the 400K number. In point of fact, within the data record, current CO2 levels have literally never before been seen!

Now that's a disingenous statement, of course, because we have plenty of secondary evidence that goes back beyond the 400K mark by several million years that suggests global temperates and CO2 levels were significantly higher than now - pretty much the entirety of the Triassic and Jurassic periods, the "Age of the Dinosaurs." The point, however, is that 400K years of CO2 levels that didn't cross the 300 ppm mark suddenly blew past it, all the way up over 400 ppm - a trend that started around 1850.

As for what made it "abruptly reverse" around then? Well, that is the question, isn't it? Correlation, though, is very, very high.

Also, as a Conservative I can tell you that you are 100% wrong about what we're all about.

As a liberal, I can guarantee I'm not interested in raising your taxes, making you dependent on the government or... what was it again?... oh yes, tell you I know better than you how to live your life. But since you likely won't believe that, I don't think I'm going to believe you either.

any Government body that tries to force its way into your pocket and take your money (or your guns or your right to private property

or my bedroom or my reproductive system or my religious beliefs or my freedom of expression or my email?

Strange as it may seem, I don't know of any mainstream liberals trying to take away your private property or your guns. The 90s showed everyone pretty clearly that the best way to reduce violent crime is to increase the economic situation of the lower class, which is where our stronger focus is anyway. And the only thing I can think of that might involve private property is that idiotic SCOTUS ruling about eminent domain, which violates nearly every liberal principle I can imagine.

You have no more a right to take the money that I've earned than I have a right to grab a slice of pizza out of your hand and tell you that "you don't really need pizza like *john doe* does, so I'm going to take yours and feed it to john doe."

Without a government supported by taxes, how would you have responded to something like Hurricane Katrina? How would you have responded to 9/11? How would you be able to enjoy driving your SUV on roads that wouldn't exist? How would you type on your computer without electricity from government-built dams? How would you strengthen a nation without taxes to help cover the cost of educating its youth?

We have taxes because they are necessary for government to exist, and we have a government because it is necessary for our society to exist. Here's something you need to get through your skull: damn near every dollar you pay for taxes goes to help someone else - but the things you get were paid for by your neighbors, co-workers, and people you never met 100 miles or 100 years away, because they were paying to help you.

Liberals don't see the problems coming, they make up problems in order to keep themselves in power by scaring the naive into voting for them (the Black Caucus, NAACP, AARP, Public School System, etc.). It's all about creating "victims" that massa-government will rescue.

Civil rights were "made up?" And did you just say that and immediately follow it up with the word "massa?"

Also, you might want to examine the current Administration's strategy for getting us into Iraq before you go casting aspersions elsewhere.

[adonijah74.livejournal.com]

"Without a government supported by taxes, how would you have responded to something like Hurricane Katrina?"

Oh, I don't know...maybe by telling people in no uncertain terms to get the hell out of there because a Cat 5 hurrixane is heading right for them about 3 days or so in advance...Oh wait! That's what the President, The Weather Channel and the Mayor DID. Guess there's just too many dumbasses in N.O. to follow instructions. Maybe they were all having too much fun on Bourbon Street to bother with evacuation, who knows?
Bet those 345 school buses that the Mayor wouldn't use when there was still time would've come in real handy though, eh? But instead, they just sat under water, useless and ruined as the town they sat in. Please, don't waste my time with the Katrina garbage. Keep in mind, New Orleans is a quintessential example of liberalism at work in government, "here's your sign..."

And 9/11? I would've hit some key targets with some smart bombs, and told Israel to do whatever it has to to protect its own, because we're declaring war on all terrorist nations (namely Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Iraq). Someday, that will happen, but it'll take a nuke before the other 1/2 of America wakes up to the reality that this is WWIII, & the nazi's are the guys who behead people, declare death to America, and strap bombs to their kids. Allah ackbar! Durka-Durka-Durka!

"damn near every dollar you pay for taxes goes to help someone else"

LOL! That's funny, seems to me that damn near every dollar I pay for taxes goes to some bloated government hand-out program that supports the lazy and addicted.

"or my bedroom or my reproductive system or my religious beliefs or my freedom of expression or my email?"

There's no infringement on being gay, although there's no Constitutional right to gay marriage (or abortion). And what about the baby's rights? Is she not a human being? Does she not have the right to live? Oh that's right...only if it's convenient for the mother. And religious expression? The only people being oppressed for their faith are the Christians. Pick up a Voice of the Martyrs sometime, you might learn something. Christians are the most persecuted religious group on the planet.

In all the middle eastern countries save Israel, and at least a dozen other countries, Christians are often slaughtered, whole families murdered in their homes & underground churches. Pregnant women have had their babies cut out of their stomachs, men have been forced to watch their daughters being raped and then killed, & if they don't convert to Islam, they too are beheaded. Don't tell me you're being denied your right to have your beliefs, give me a break. We are SO spoiled.

"Civil rights were 'made up?' And did you just say that and immediately follow it up with the word 'massa?'"

Who said Civil Rights were made up? What...do you actually think the NAACP has anything to do with civil rights? Wow. I have some oceanside property in Idaho to sell you. And yes, I followed it up with the word "massa". Don't blame me, that's what the government is to the enslaved.

I'm no racist, just ask my Mexican wife, my 2 Indian (as in, from India) friends, my Mexican friend and my 4 black friends. They're not white, they're my true friends, and therefore, I am not racist (by the way, most of them agree with me becuase they're...wait for it...Conservative Republicans ***gasp***). Or as the Al Sharptons, Jesse Jacksons, McKinney and others call them: "Uncle Toms", "House Negroes", and "Sell Outs".

How sad. I respect these friends because they work for a living (instead of asking massa-government to help them) and have made a life for themselves. Which is the opportunity EVERYONE has in this country if they will only apply themselves and quit blaming everyone else for their problems.

I'm making this my last post (surely to the delight of Mr. Uberreiniger) on this subject because there seems to be no point in both of us writing small books in Ube's journal. Besides, we're getting off topic now anyway as was bound to happen as all topics discussed so far inevitably lead to other issues. Hopefully, you gave my points some reflection as I did yours, it's only fair to at least hear someone out, don't you think?

Cheerio!